Wednesday, September 12, 2007

Navy's planned Arctic patrol ships won't be designed to detect subs

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As Rough As It May Seem,It's Still Steady As You Go...

Huh! You've got to be kidding me on this one.. seriously.

OTTAWA (CP) — Canada's new Arctic patrol ships will likely

lack sonar capability, forcing them to use other methods to

detect submarine threats in northern waters, a project official

said Wednesday.

"They will not have the ability to detect submarines," Capt.

Ron Lloyd, a senior navy planner, said in an interview with

The Canadian Press. Both the operation and even the

installation of sonar equipment on the new warships may

prove to be impractical, he said.

"You're talking about ship that's going to run up onto ice

and all of the noise that ice makes and still be able to detect

submarines," said Lloyd, who is the former commander of

the frigate HMCS Charlottetown.

"From our perspective we have not examined that as a

potential (capability) for this platform."

The warships, announced with fanfare this summer, are a

pillar in Prime Minister Stephen Harper's plan to defend the

Arctic against intruders and environmental damage.

The navy is in the early stages of identifying the design and

equipment for the ships, which are expected to cost $7.4 billion

to build and maintain over their 25-year lifespan.

The Defence Department hasn't settled on how many ships it

will build, and the first one isn't expected to be delivered until 2013.

Earlier this year a leaked draft copy of the Conservative defence

strategy called for six ships, but the formal announcement in July

said there could be as many as eight, vessels that would also patrol

the country's Atlantic and Pacific coastlines.

Defence expert Dan Middlemiss said the purpose of the Arctic ships

was to make sure "we know what's going on in our backyard."

Leaving out sonar would be acceptable as long as "you've got

something else that does that job for you," he said.

In the last election, the Tories' defence platform promised a network

of underwater listening posts in the Arctic. But the leaked defence

strategy said only that the military would "investigate options" to

develop such a system.

American and Russian nuclear-powered submarines, the only type

of boats capable of sustained operations under the ice, have been

known to lurk in Canada's Arctic.

The last incident occurred in 2005 when a U.S. submarine took a

short cut to the North Pole, not notifying Ottawa until after the fact.

In the 1980s Washington had agreed to warn Canada about such

incursions.

Helicopters, which are slated to deploy with the new ships as

needed, could also fulfill an anti-submarine role depending on

the weather, said Middlemiss, a professor at Dalhousie University's

Centre for Foreign Policy Studies.

Hunting nuclear-powered submarines is something that's usually

best left to other submarines, navy experts say.

Lloyd said the big advantage of the new patrol ships is that it gives

the navy the ability to operate in all of the country's oceans, pending

conditions, for the first time in many years.

Since the Conservatives have put so much emphasis on defending the

Arctic, Middlemiss said, Canadians will be expecting concrete surveill-

ance measures.

"There are real military reasons for taking care of our own backyard a

bit better and more convincingly than we've tried to do," he said in an

interview from Halifax.

In the past, Canada has experimented with underwater listening devices

and even planned to buy $100 million worth of them in the late 1980s,

but all of the proposals were dropped mostly because of the cost.

The patrol ship program is a step down from the Conservative election

promise to build three armed, heavy icebreaking ships.

Once operational, the patrol ships will free frigates and destroyers from

routine surveillance patrols and allow for more overseas deployments to

trouble spots such as the Persian Gulf.